Steven Miller is a math professor at Williams College who specializes in number theory and theoretical probability theory. A few days ago he published a “declaration” in which he performs an “analysis” of phone bank data of registered Republicans in Pennsylvania. The data was provided to him by Matt Braynyard, who led Trump’s data team during the 2016. Miller frames his “analysis” as an attempt to “estimate the number of fraudulent ballots in Pennsylvania”, and his analysis of the data leads him to conclude that
“almost surely…the number of ballots requested by someone other than the registered Republican is between 37,001 and 58,914, and almost surely the number of ballots requested by registered Republicans and returned but not counted is in the range from 38,910 to 56,483.”
A review of Miller’s “analysis” leads me to conclude that his estimates are fundamentally flawed and that the data as presented provide no evidence of voter fraud.
This conclusion is easy to arrive at. The declaration claims (without a reference) that there were 165,412 mail-in ballots requested by registered Republicans in PA, but that “had not arrived to be counted” as of November 16th, 2020. The data Miller analyzed was based on an attempt to call some of these registered Republicans by phone to assess what happened to their ballots. The number of phone calls made, according to the declaration, is 23,184 = 17,000 + 3,500 + 2,684. The number 17,000 consists of phone calls that did not provide information either because an answering machine picked up instead of a person, or a person picked up and summarily hung up. 3,500 numbers were characterized as “bad numbers / language barrier”, and 2,684 individuals answered the phone. Curiously, Miller writes that “Almost 20,000 people were called”, when in fact 23,184 > 20,000.
In any case, clearly many of the phone numbers dialed were simply wrong numbers, as evident by the number of “bad” calls: 3,500. It’s easy to imagine how this can happen: confusion because some individuals share a name, phone numbers have changed, people move, the phone call bank makes an error when dialing etc. Let be the fraction of phone numbers out of the 23,184 that were “bad”, i.e. incorrect. We can estimate
by noting that we have some information about it: we know that the 3,500 “bad numbers” were bad (by definition). Additionally, it is reported in the declaration that 556 people literally said that they did not request a ballot, and there is no reason not to take them at their word. We don’t know what fraction of the 17,000 individuals called and did not pick up or hung up were wrong numbers, but we do know that the fraction out of the total must equal the fraction out of the 17,000 + those we know for sure were bad numbers, i.e.
.
Solving for we find that
. I’m surprised the number is so low. One would expect that individuals who requested ballots, but then didn’t send them in, would be enriched for people who have recently moved or are in the process of moving, or have other issues making it difficult to reach them or impossible to reach them at all.
The fraction of bad calls derived translates to about 1,700 bad numbers out of the 2,684 people that were reached. This easily explains not only the 556 individuals who said they did not request a ballot, but also the 463 individuals who said that they mailed back their ballots. In the case of the latter there is no irregularity; the number of bad calls suggests that all those individuals were reached in error and their ballots were legitimately counted so they weren’t part of the 165,412. It also explains the 544 individuals who said they voted in person.
That’s it. The data don’t point to any fraud or irregularity, just a poorly design poll with poor response rates and lots of erroneous information due to bad phone numbers. There is nothing to explain. Miller, on the other hand, has some things to explain.
First, I note that his declaration begins with a signed page asserting various facts about Steven Miller and the analysis he performed. Notably absent from the page, or anywhere else in the document, is a disclosure of funding source for the work and of conflicts of interest. On his work webpage, Miller specifically states that one should always acknowledge funding support.
Second, if Miller really wanted to understand the reason why some ballots were requested for mail-in, but had not yet arrived to be counted, he would also obtain data from Democrats. That would provide a control on various aspects of the analysis, and help to establish whether irregularities, if they were to be detected, were of a partisan nature. Why did Miller not include an analysis of such data?
Third, one might wonder why Steven Miller chose to publish this “declaration”. Surely a professor who has taught probability and statistics for 15 years (as Miller claims he has) must understand that his own “analysis” is fundamentally flawed, right? Then again, I’ve previously found that excellent pure mathematicians are prone to falling into a data analysis trap, i.e. a situation where their lack of experience analyzing real-world datasets leads them to believe naïve analysis that is deeply flawed. To better understand whether this might be the case with Miller, I examined his publication record, which he has shared publicly via Google Scholar, to see whether he has worked with data. The first thing I noticed was that he has published more than 700 articles (!) and has an h-index of 47 for a total of 8,634 citations… an incredible record for any professor, and especially for a mathematician. A Google search for his name displays this impressive number of citations:
As it turns out, his impressive publication record is a mirage. When I took a closer look and found that many of the papers he lists on his Google Scholar page are not his, but rather articles published by other authors with the name S Miller. “His” most cited article was published in 1955, a year that transpired well before he was born. Miller’s own most cited paper is a short unpublished tutorial on least squares (I was curious and reviewed it as well only to find some inaccuracies but hey, I don’t work for this guy).
I will note that in creating his Google Scholar page, Miller did not just enter his name and email address (required). He went to the effort of customizing the page, including the addition of keywords and a link to his homepage, and in doing so followed his own general advice to curate one’s CV (strangely, he also dispenses advice on job interviews, including about shaving- I guess only women interview for jobs?). But I digress: the question is, why is his Google Scholar page display massively inflated publication statistics based on papers that are not his? I’ve seen this before, and in one case where I had hard evidence that it was done deliberately to mislead I reported it as fraud. Regardless of Miller’s motivations, by looking at his actual publications I confirmed what I suspected, namely that he has hardly any experience analyzing real world data. I’m willing to chalk up his embarrassing “declaration” to statistics illiteracy and naïveté.
In summary, Steven Miller’s declaration provides no evidence whatsoever of voter fraud in Pennsylvania.
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November 22, 2020 at 9:43 am
Iliya Lefterov
Dear Lior
I have been following your blog for some time (years… ) now. the reason has been the analysis of sequencing data and tools that we have implemented in our Alzheimer’s Disease research. the problem with this post is that I am almost sure it will not reach those 72 mln, who, with or without willing, are a problem for the democracy in this country.
November 22, 2020 at 9:54 am
Dmitry Kondrashov
Excellent dissection of this mendacious affidavit! I want to mention another likely source of discrepancy between the responses and reality: in Pennsylvania, many voters didn’t realize they had requested mail in ballots by checking a box during the primary election. From a recent story in the Philadelphia Inquirer https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/spl/pennsylvania-election-2020-provisional-ballots-mail-voting-count-20201112.html
“For one, many primary voters who applied to vote by mail checked a box to automatically receive a mail ballot for the general election. Many of these voters changed their minds, didn’t fully understand the choice to automatically receive a mail ballot for November, or forgot they checked the box, elections officials said.”
So Miller’s analysis is worthless for many reasons, but thought I’d add one more!
November 22, 2020 at 4:39 pm
Jack Logan
I have a concern about your analysis.
Crucially, you assume that of the 2684 individuals who responded, the same proportion b of them must have been bad numbers. However, Miller’s argument states that there were 2684 people who answered the call, “stating that they were the person asked for or wanting to know what the call was about”. Miller’s analysis assumes that if somebody confirms that they were the person asked for or wants to know what the call is about, then it cannot have been a bad number.
There seem to be two groups here: those who confirmed that it was themselves, and those who asked what the call was about. In such an analysis, we should have no reason to believe that those who confirmed their identity were not lying, and thus MUST be excluded from the proportion of people who could have possibly been a bad number. Of those who asked what the call was about, it seems feasible that it could’ve been a bad number. Therefore, the rebuttal you put forth is definitely flawed, but it seems that Miller’s analysis has a flaw as well.
It seems that to settle this problem, we need to know how many individuals of the 2684 individuals did not confirm their identity. This information does not appear to have been given in the survey.
To summarize, when you use the proportion to calculate that 2/3 of the 2684 were bad numbers, you assume that the 2684 were selected independently of the property of being a bad number, which is not true by definition of the group. However, this same problems sheds light on some possible incorrect assumptions held in Miller’s analysis.
November 22, 2020 at 5:22 pm
Jack Logan
As an addendum, I’d like to point out a possible way to determine whether Miller’s argument is actually valid. If the exact same survey is conducted for Democrats, then if these results demonstrate a similar quantity of voter fraud, the argument must be bad. If the results are not suspect under Miller’s argument, nothing would be proven, but it seems that the argument in favor of voter fraud would be stronger
November 22, 2020 at 5:26 pm
Lior Pachter
Yes, that is exactly the meaning of “[A survey of Democrats] would provide a control on various aspects of the analysis” that I mentioned would be what would take place if Miller really wanted to understand the reason why some ballots were requested for mail-in but were not received for counting.
November 29, 2020 at 11:51 pm
Karl
Do you think maybe the people who said their vote wasn’t counted, those were all correct numbers? Do you think maybe they asked their names and verified the information? I don’t get how you apply the wrong number percentage to those responses. Based on what? Did you talk to anyone? Well you love yourself and your own ideas. That is for certain.
Your writing horrible as I still am not sure what your point is. Maybe you aren’t hand wavingly dismissing the data that shows people didn’t get their votes counted which seems irrefutable or do you really think they didn’t check who they were talking to? Isn’t that how they knew they had some wrong numbers?
Also, you didn’t write who is financing you. Does that have anything to do with anything? Or you assume people lie for money and have no integrity?
Then you went to Ad Hominem attacks which isn’t professional at all. You are an a-hole. Click on his homepage at Williams college and can find he has over a hundred white papers. But you were too lazy to even click on his home page. Why? Because you want a certain answer, that Stephen Miller is a hack. This dude probably got death threats and incurred all kinds of pressure.
Yeah Miller doesn’t know the quality of the data. You don’t either. You don’t know if this sample is truly random or what caused some people to answer and some to not answer. Your bias is off the charts.
November 30, 2020 at 12:18 am
Lior Pachter
Hi Karl,
Below are answers to some of your questions:
I have a list of conflicts of interest in a page on this site. There is a tab “Conflicts of interest” at the top of the page: https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/conflicts-of-interest/
Other than some expert witness consulting which I disclose on my COI page, my only other income is from my academic job as a professor. I am not paid by anyone to write anything on this blog, and that includes this post. I will note that the reason I mentioned the importance of Miller disclosing his COI and his sources of funding is that he published a sworn affidavit, which ended up becoming expert testimony in a filed lawsuit.
I am well aware that Mliler has a significant publication record in analytic number theory. His work is outside my field of expertise so I am no position to judge it, but I certainly don’t think he is a hack. As I explained in the blog he is far outside his field of expertise performing a statistical analysis, and what he published suggests (giving him the benefit of the doubt) that he is statistically illiterate and naïve. It is certainly possible for someone to be an excellent number theorist and clueless about statistics, and the converse is also true.
There is one question of yours that I have difficulty answering. I’m not entirely sure what you meant when you wrote “Your writing horrible as still am not sure what your point is.” I’m sure I am not sure I understand what you wrote and I’m therefore sure I should not attempt to say something, or anything, about what my point is. Surely that makes sense, I hope.
November 22, 2020 at 8:08 pm
allenknutson
I was pretty surprised to read that the number theorist Steve Miller I knew from Princeton would have published something like this. Turns out that he didn’t: https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=52138
Nor would he speak of the pompatus of love.
November 22, 2020 at 9:47 pm
allenknutson
For the love of mud… somebody managed to misread what I wrote as suggesting that the Steve Miller under discussion isn’t actually a number theorist with Princeton pedigree. If you, too, did so, labor no more under that misapprehension: there are indeed two of them.
November 23, 2020 at 1:22 am
Ishi Crew
The analyses seems correct—i did a similar attempt but not to same detail and basically decided it wasn’t worth the time . (also some of us are ‘slow’ ). .I* wonder about the motivations—i sort of assume if you work at williams and have a yale degree you are competent or know something. so view this as political–argument from authority. (Euler proved god exists with a formula, and Godel has an ‘ontological’ proof.qed. I have heard god chose trump, so he must have won the election unless the devil interfered.)
There have been quite a few good math people with ‘bad politics’—R Fisher might be an example. (i think he proved smoking doesnt cause lung cancer among other things–he was paid by tobacco companies.) I’m an ‘environmentalist’ in part, and the Unabomber was both a good mathematician and some sort of (Radical) environemntalist , but his political; strategy i view as both bad and innefective. Maybe not everyone is smart i every area.
i wonder if there is quid pro quo here. .
November 23, 2020 at 5:57 am
Robert Bryant
Lior, I think that the real danger of this ‘declaration’ is that, very likely, it is intended to be presented as ‘evidence’ of fraud to some judge who has to decide whether to nullify the ballot count. Is there any way to make sure that the Democratic election defense team can be informed of the facts that you have presented about Steven J. Miller’s credentials and expertise (not to mention your exposé of the flaws in the analysis). It’s true that it won’t reach the 72 mil who voted for Trump, but they are probably not the intended target.
November 23, 2020 at 6:03 am
Lior Pachter
Robert,
You are absolutely correct in your concern; in fact the process of bringing this ‘declaration’ in front of a judge is already well underway: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-election-commission-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate
Unfortunately I’m not sure how to deliver this rebuttal, and others like it, to those who may need them.
November 23, 2020 at 7:55 am
Peter
The Mathscinet profile (needs institutional access) for Steven Joel Miller gives him 897 citations and 140 publications, which is a far cry from what is listed on Google Scholar, but an impressive record nonetheless. A cursory look at these publications suggests that they are indeed his — the earliest is what appears to be his Princeton dissertation from 2002. The 140 figure is a little inflated since a lot of these are co-authored with undergraduates, and are probably the results of summer long or semester long work, but there are still some well-cited serious mathematical papers there. Is there any certainty that this declaration is in fact from him? I found this post looking for more confirmation beyond a right-wing news source reporting on it. If it is his work, he should say so on his official Williams webpage. It seems unlikely that anyone who is as mathematically trained as Prof. Miller is would make such a wild claim on limited evidence, and without any of the considerations in this post. The affidavit did not read like any mathematical work I had ever read before.
November 23, 2020 at 8:37 am
A Guy Who Cares
It is definitely from him. I have this confirmed through multiple professional and personal routes.
November 24, 2020 at 11:43 am
Former student of Miller's
Agreed. Those of us who know him (e.g. me, I am a former student of his) personally know this is from him.
Regarding his research record, Miller has advised a huge amount of undergrad research through the Williams summer REU program (SMALL), primarily in analytic number theory. His academic record legitimately is very good.
Lior — I hesitated to share your blog post because, while I really appreciated your takedown of his shoddy analysis, the Google Scholar part is just silly, there’s no way he is deliberately taking credit for other people’s work. Google Scholar regularly aggregates data incorrectly, there are multiple Steve Millers in academia, and many academics don’t check these pages carefully. I think that part is on Google, not on Miller.
Anyway. How gross and embarrassing for him to have written this toxic, antidemocratic garbage.
November 24, 2020 at 11:47 am
Lior Pachter
FYI A Google Scholar page is 100% customizable. It is not automatically created; one has to choose to activate it and provide a confirmed email address to do so. The automatic aggregation process can be turned off. Specifically one can easily set it up so that manual confirmation of article additions are required. In other words, there is no difference between setting up a Google Scholar page for oneself, or just posting a pdf of one’s CV or publication list. Either way, it ought to be accurate.
November 23, 2020 at 9:56 am
Stephan Morowski
“You are absolutely correct in your concern; in fact the process of bringing this ‘declaration’ in front of a judge is already well underway.”
And it will be thrown out of court as all the other presumptuous arguments Trumps legal team have brought to the floor have.
November 23, 2020 at 11:01 am
egdamsorg
Peter Sarnak had two students with very similar names: Steven Joel Miller (PhD in 2002), who is now at Williams College and who filed the affidavit being discussed; Stephen David Miller (PhD 1997), who is now at Rutgers. I have confused them in the past, even though I have met both of them in person.
Counts of publications in MathSciNet are verified by staff at Mathematical Reviews, a division of the AMS. I would trust them – then again, I work at the Math Reviews division of the AMS. (Disclosure) I don’t know how the list of Steven J. Miller’s publications at Google Scholar was created. I find it hard to believe that he would intentionally list a dozen or more papers published before he was born, with many of them in chemistry. Many years ago, I created a profile at Google Scholar, but haven’t looked at it for years. I just checked it now. There are some extraneous things listed: announcements of MathSciNet demos at some AMS meetings, an interview by someone else of me. Please don’t take this as an endorsement of Miller’s affidavit. It looks like his analysis is fatally flawed, and I find it suspect. When it comes to data analysis, I trust very much what Lior Pachter publishes or posts. Interpret this second paragraph, rather, as a comment on how much you should trust lists on Google Scholar. The Google search engine is effective at finding lots and lots of things, but the publication lists generally need some final filtering or parsing.
November 23, 2020 at 2:12 pm
Matt Braynard
Hello,
This is Matt Braynard.
You’re analysis of Miller’s analysis makes a lot of assumptions that are wrong. Your willingness to publish this under your name without requesting the data yourself makes you guilty of exactly what you’re accusing Miller of doing; running your mouth without the facts.
The respondents we reached who answered the questions were not ‘bad phone numbers.’ In fact, we confirmed the full name of each respondent we reached before we asked any ballot-related questions.
Further, it’s reprehensible of you to imply that Miller was paid for this work; he was offered money for his help but refused any compensation whatsoever.
Steven Miller has been rigorous in requesting the data for this analysis. And we’d be happy to share the data, the script, and the methodology with any other stat pro who is interested in doing honest work.
Perhaps you can try that sometime.
Matt Braynard
November 23, 2020 at 4:01 pm
A Guy Who Cares
Dude. I cannot resist using the dreaded shouty caps. YOU HAD A NON-RANDOM SAMPLE (AS FAR AS WE KNOW) AND A 10% RESPONSE RATE. NO ONE DOES INFERENCE ON THAT.
Like, are you for real? Did you do a whole bunch of stats with your MFA work? OR YOUR BACHELOR’S IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION? Are we really going to have to pull up all of the extremely credible news stories about all the fraudulent sh** you’ve done? Seriously, go away.
November 23, 2020 at 4:58 pm
conradseitz
I should have gotten my two cents worth in earlier, but I didn’t have time to read Steven J. Miller’s text that prompted your outraged refutatory rant, so I put it off a while. I’m glad I did, because while I was busy elsewhere, some other people put in some very helpful information about the ballots and you even got a snotty remark from the guy who put Steven J. Miller up to his “analysis” of the “data.” — in other words, the guy who pulled the wool over his all-too-willing eyes.
I read the “declaration”– it appears to be an attempt to be evidence. If we’re looking for evidence, then we would like to have a person say, “I requested a ballot and returned it but it wasn’t counted.” Or, “I didn’t request an absentee ballot, but one was returned in my name.”
Those responses would be prima facie evidence of fraud. But that’s not what we got (as far as I know; surely, there would be big headlines if one person said that they returned their absentee ballot but it wasn’t counted OR that they never requested an absentee ballot but one was requested (by a fraudster) and it was returned BUT they didn’t vote, OR that they tried to vote and were told that an absentee ballot had been returned in their name.)
Why is someone (Steven J. Miller) doing a complex statistical analysis of murky data? I don’t understand the data nor his analysis, but then I barely passed a course in basic statistics and barely graduated from college, much less medical school. Is this an attempt to allege fraud without using the word “fraud”? Without actually presenting any evidence that would constitute fraud?
I don’t know. But if you (Lior Pachter) understand what he (Steven J. Miller) is saying and you conclude that he’s talking through his hat, then I won’t argue with you. Clearly, this “declaration” was intended to be presented to a judge as “evidence.” Clearly, Google Scholar is not a reliable way to assemble a publication list for a single person, even if it was curated by that person (I’m still unclear on that and I don’t have time to re-read it carefully enough to figure out whether Steven J. Miller actually curated his Google Scholar list.)
Just as clearly, the declaration proves nothing, no matter what Mr. Braynard in his snotty way says about your analysis. Why would you bother to study a collection of data that comes from the horse’s mouth (that’s what Mr. Braynard is offering) for free when someone (Steven J. Miller) clearly motivated to produce the desired result (even if he didn’t get paid) doesn’t even come within shouting distance of producing said result?
I don’t recall your implying anything about whether Steven J. Miller was paid for his motivated analysis of bad data or not. All you said was that he didn’t say anything about a source of funding or whether there was any conflict of interest– something that scholarly papers usually do say, but which is usually left out of depositions by lawyers. So don’t feel reprehensible.
The comment by Dmitry Kondrashov provides an innocent explanation for why some people might have requested an absentee ballot and then forgot about it… although I would have remembered if I received an absentee ballot because, if I went to vote in person, I would have taken care to bring it with me so that it could be invalidated. I’m a little more obsessive-compulsive than the average voter.
The bottom line, though, is Where are the prima facie evidences of fraud– where are the people who attest that they didn’t request an absentee ballot, but one was returned in their name anyway? Or, where are the people who attest that they returned an absentee ballot but it was never counted? Or, where are the people who attest that they tried to vote only to be told that an absentee ballot had already been returned in their name?
In the absence of those attestations, a series of phone calls, no matter what response anyone says they got or how many calls they say they made (“almost” a million), are not evidence.
No wonder those suits are being thrown out. Just like all the other lies told by he-who-must-not-be-named, they stand up right to the point where they are supposed to count, and then they fall down.
So don’t feel bad that Mr. Braynard is accusing you of running your mouth without the facts or being reprehensible– we still like you, and we’re (fortunately) in the majority (I checked on that.) Dammit, Jim, I’m a doctor, not a statistician– nor a lawyer– but I can tell when someone is talking through their hat (Steven J. Miller) or just being snotty (Matt Braynard.)
PS for those who are interested, one commenter mentioned idiot savants and… the Unabomber. Ted Kaczynski (a genius and a PhD mathematician) was severely psychologically damaged by a supposedly great psychologist, Henry Murray, as part of a “scientific study” (he spent 200 hours as a subject in an experiment, part of which involved filmed weekly sessions in which he was belittled and humiliated based on personal information he had given to the researcher initially– this was “research” because his EEG was recorded while these sessions were repeatedly replayed to him) while he was an undergraduate at Harvard. He graduated in 1962, before this sort of so-called research became frowned upon. See Wikipedia (and an article in the Atlantic from 2000) for a brief summary of this torture that probably had something to do with his later behavior. There but for the grace of G-d…
November 23, 2020 at 5:49 pm
Julian Rosen
Thanks for your analysis of the declaration. I found it very helpful to hear another explanation for the phone data.
I feel like you engaged in some unnecessary personal attacks against Miller himself. Your post suggests (both directly and indirectly) that Miller may have committed several kinds of misconduct, including concealing sources of funding, lying about publications, lying about teaching experience, and sexism. I don’t think there’s much evidence of misconduct here, my guess is you wouldn’t be suggesting misconduct were it not for the politically charged nature of the declaration, and I don’t think this this is a fair way to discredit the argument.
November 23, 2020 at 6:50 pm
Lior Pachter
I’m sorry but:
1. It is standard in publications (and required in most cases) for authors to disclose funding sources and conflicts of interests. It is highly unusual that Steven Miller didn’t do that here.
2. Posting a public page of one’s publications that contains false information, especially in a setting where one is writing material that will be of interest to and seen by the general public is, extremely problematic and inappropriate. I did not accuse him of lying in this regard.
3. I never say anywhere that Steven Miller has lied about his teaching experience. I do say, in giving him the benefit of the doubt, that I think he may be statistically illiterate and naïve. There are many professors who are statistically illiterate and naïve who teach statistics.
4. Nowhere did I accuse him of sexism but I think that it is fair, given the nature of his public ‘declaration’, to examine his writing and it is very strange to provide advice, in the context of how to interview for jobs, on how to shave one’s face. This remark was not central to the post, hence it was in parentheses.
November 26, 2020 at 6:31 pm
Anonymous
According to Braynard, Miller was not paid for this. Are you saying he should have disclosed his lack of a funding source for the project?
—
Copied below is Miller’s advice on shaving, on the page that Lior links. There are no other mentions of shaving on that page.
“Shaving: if you are going to shave your face, shave many hours before an interview or talk — if you shave too close to the time and cut yourself, you’ll have to give a talk with bandaids.”
This is the conclusion that Lior draws.
“…(strangely, he also dispenses advice on job interviews, including about shaving- I guess only women interview for jobs?)”
People can make their own decisions as to whether Lior’s conclusion is reasonable, tangential or no. To my knowledge, shaving one’s facial hair is even positively correlated with being a man; how did Lior arrive at this comment about women?
November 26, 2020 at 6:53 pm
Lior Pachter
Only Steven Miller can disclose Steven Miller’s funding sources and conflicts of interest, whatever they may or may not be.
November 23, 2020 at 8:25 pm
Neo Logism
Miller never says there is fraud. He just reports a fact: An estimated 29% of Republicans who requested a mail-in ballot, say that they mailed it in, but it was never counted (from a survey run by the GOP). This is interesting, but meaningless. We have no idea if 29% of Democrats who requested a mail-in ballot say they mailed it in, but it wasn’t recorded. Or if this number is about the same in, say, Wyoming or Texas or Vermont. My guess is that (a) people thought they mailed it, but didn’t. (They’ll find it in the glove compartment next week.), or (b) Many respondents mistakenly think that not mailing in a ballot they requested is a crime so they respond “sure I mailed it in,” or (c) they gave it to their spouse to mail and their spouse messed up (that would be the most likely scenario if my wife gave me her ballot). But the point is, it is all just guessing. We have no idea. If your guess is that it is a massive secret conspiracy involving hundreds of people who open thousands of envelopes, check the ballot and then throw out the ones for Trump without being noticed by a roomful of observers, then well, go for it. (P.S. And I’d feel a little more comfortable if the survey was run by a neutral party.)
November 23, 2020 at 9:07 pm
Lior Pachter
From his ‘declaration’:
“Our goal is to try to estimate the number of fraudulent ballots in PA from these responses, and thus correct the
totals across the commonwealth”
And the claimed result?
“I estimate that the number of ballots that were either requested by someone other than the registered Republican or requested and returned but not counted range from 89,397 to 98,801.”
Absolutely he is claiming these counts that, according to him, need to be corrected, were from fraudulent ballots.
November 24, 2020 at 5:38 pm
anon
I don’t know where you are getting this from but this is not in the final document that was filed in court based on Miller’s analysis
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18618673/200/1/donald-j-trump-for-president-inc-v-boockvar/
if you search that document the word “fraud” or “fraudulent” does not appear anywhere in the document whatsoever. You can try it yourself and see …
November 24, 2020 at 5:44 pm
Lior Pachter
Wow. The language was changed!
It went from “Our goal is to try and estimate the number of fraudulent ballots in PA”
to
“Our goal is to estimate the number of mail-in ballots in PA”
The version I quoted is here: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/Miller_DeclarationAndAnalyisPA_GOP_BallotRequestData_2020_Final.pdf
and this pdf was linked to in this article: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/mathematics-prof-says-sworn-statement-many-56000-gop-ballots-pa-may-be
November 24, 2020 at 6:29 pm
anon
@lior pachter
perhaps it did. when people do analysis they go through what some may refer to as drafts/iterations …
you mentioning that prior version in this blog is tantamount to referencing an aspect of a prior version of a working paper that is no longer present in the published manuscript.
or like quoting someone on a speech the gave based on a prior draft that they didn’t end up using …
as a so called academic you should know that …
November 24, 2020 at 6:40 pm
Lior Pachter
The version I mentioned and linked to in this blog (see top paragraph) is the one available when I wrote my post. I did not drag some manuscript out of a trashcan. I commented on a signed affidavit linked to from a news source. It was a document linked to by the president of the United States:
So this is not at all like some speech draft that was never used.
As for the expert report, I didn’t know it existed until now and I’m sorry if my precognition skills have disappointed you.
November 24, 2020 at 7:32 pm
anon
disappointed is an understatement. the court document is dated 11/21 and your blog is dated 11/22
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18618673/200/1/donald-j-trump-for-president-inc-v-boockvar/
learn to look up a case, lior. you should be more thorough.
ps:
it’s amusing to see how you defend yourself around the actions of donald trump. very classy indeed, and i’m sure people in your circle appreciate that. who knows? maybe you are actually one of the “shy trump supporters” who denounces him in public but actually voted for him.
November 24, 2020 at 7:56 pm
Lior Pachter
I actually first found out about this ‘declaration’ on November 21st, via the justthenews.com website. But why on earth would I go looking up court cases when reading it? When I saw this ‘declaration’ in the news, and then quoted by the president in order to advance unsubstantiated claims of election fraud, then yes, I decided to write up this blog post. Guilty as charged.
You noted that I am academic and that is true. One of the things I’ve learned in in my many years in academia is that insults come fast and furious. Just take a look at some of the stuff that’s said to me on the pages of this blog or on twitter… Your feeble attempt, I’m afraid, garners only a C- and that’s with partial credit for the “ps”. Better luck next time.
All of this is tangential to the main point here, which is that the language was changed for the expert report, which is not surprising considering that it doesn’t look good for an “expert” to tell a judge that they started with the conclusion and then tortured the data until it confessed.
November 24, 2020 at 8:38 pm
anon
indeed, guilty as charged. your comments should be based on what was actually used in court, not prior versions; glad you admit that.
and thank you for the grade on the first attempt. will try to go below the belt next time. (that is, assuming that there’s something’s actually there …)
November 24, 2020 at 8:43 pm
Lior Pachter
No, there is absolutely no reason why I can’t quote from his posted ‘declaration’. You tried a gotcha and you failed. I’m sorry about that but no amount of doubling down will fix this for you.
November 24, 2020 at 8:41 pm
anon
indeed, guilty as charged. your comments should be based on what was actually used in court, not prior versions; glad you admit that.
and thank you for the grade on the first attempt. will try to go below the belt next time. (that is, assuming something’s actually there …)
November 24, 2020 at 8:54 pm
anon
“Absolutely he is claiming these counts that, according to him, need to be corrected, were from fraudulent ballots.”
you keep telling yourself that lior.
you based your statement above on a draft that was never used in court …
November 24, 2020 at 9:39 pm
Lior Pachter
Draft. I don’t think that word means what you think it does.
A sworn affidavit shared with a newspaper is not a “draft”.
November 24, 2020 at 9:29 am
Lior Pachter
https://www.berkshireeagle.com/news/local/williams-prof-disavows-own-finding-of-mishandled-gop-ballots/article_9cfd4228-2e03-11eb-b2ac-bb9c8b2bfa7f.html
November 24, 2020 at 9:46 pm
conradseitz
That’s all she wrote right there. You’re vindicated.
November 24, 2020 at 9:55 pm
conradseitz
I can’t say anything now that Miller has retracted— it’s moot.
November 24, 2020 at 9:59 pm
Lior Pachter
Just to be clear he did not offer a retraction. He said “especially as the consequences are so important, I should have made a greater effort to go deeply into and share how the data was collected and not treat this solely as an independent calculation”. He went on to say he was not claiming that voter fraud occurred but he maintained that “the extrapolated numbers here are significant”.
While I think it’s laudable that he disavowed the statement to some extent, and that he offered some sort of apology (albeit a weak one), this should never have happened in the first place.
I hope he learned something from this debacle and in addition to continuing his mathematics work, puts some serious effort into learning statistics. I believe the more mathematicians learn and understand statistics, the better.
November 24, 2020 at 2:20 pm
James Moss
I checked out the link to Prof. Miller’s self-help guides and was immediately struck by this comment in red: “Have different versions of who you are prepared depending on whom you meet and how much time you have!”
Maybe this provides the explanation.
November 24, 2020 at 9:43 pm
conradseitz
So anon thinks that your math expertise should come with legal chops too. I think anon is demanding too much when they insist that your analysis is no good because you refer to a document that was waved about in public but not presented in court. You can’t be expected to look for a court version when the newspaper version is presented— that is, as you say, precognition. How is a mathematician to know a detail that only trial lawyers are aware of: you can’t allege “fraud” in court without proof and get away with it. I would give anon a fail on that one.
November 24, 2020 at 11:48 pm
Lior Pachter
Here we go again…
https://cbs58.com/news/republicans-file-lawsuit-to-block-certifying-wisconsin-election-results?fbclid=IwAR0RVDdux5xJ4FoZaxM9lszOoKQRIlpM_iQzHddo2aNVE0PtrbYZvkbpkYE
November 25, 2020 at 9:17 am
Chad Topaz
I am a faculty member in Prof. Miller’s department. I find it necessary to go on the record with my reaction to the present situation, and have now done so in a Twitter thread. https://twitter.com/chadtopaz/status/1331630054405771268
November 25, 2020 at 10:29 pm
Anonymous
Dear Professor Lior Pachter,
I agree with you in several places, and particularly agree that the survey’s low response rate is problematic.
However, I am confused about part of your argument regarding bad numbers, and would appreciate an explanation. My concern is similar to Jack Logan’s concern from above. I notice Jack Logan’s concern does not have a reply (aside from your reply to the addendum, which does not address the concern) so let me be explicit: I believe your analysis on bad numbers is self-inconsistent and leads to a contradiction.
I acknowledge that my comment is long, but I did not think of a better way to post this.
In your notation, let b be the proportion of bad numbers among the 23184 who were called. By the following sentence of yours:
“The fraction of bad calls derived translates to about 1,700 bad numbers out of the 2,684 people that were reached.”
it seems like you assume that b is also the proportion of bad numbers among the 2,684 people that were reached. Thus, there should be a total of 2684 * b bad numbers among those who were reached.
Outside of the 2684 people who were reached, there are 3500 given bad numbers. In addition, you are assuming that the proportion of bad numbers among the 17000 other non-responders is also b, so there are 17000 * b bad numbers among the 17000 other non-responders. In particular, the total quantity B of bad numbers among all individuals called should be:
B = 17000 * b + 3500 + 2684 * b.
But you also say that there is a total of
B = 23184 * b = 17000 * b + 556 + 3500
bad numbers among all 23184 individuals called. Equating these two expressions for B gives the formula
17000 * b + 3500 + 2684 * b = 17000 * b + 556 + 3500
which implies 2684 * b = 556. This is absurd because you have already calculated that b should be approximately 2/3. And 2684 * (2/3) is nowhere near 556.
To summarize, it seems to me that your analysis is unsound, and I would be glad to hear your explanation.
One reasonable way to resolve this issue is to say that the proportion “p” of bad numbers among the 2684 who were reached is not equal to b, the proportion of bad numbers among all 23184 individuals called. Indeed, I find it unlikely that picking up the phone and answering the survey is uncorrelated with the property of being a bad number, as your argument seems to claim. Perhaps you can draw conclusions about how many of the 17000 were bad/wrong numbers, but I do not see how your argument as is can be used to draw conclusions about bad numbers among the 2684 responders.
If you agree with me that you have made a mistake, I think it would be dishonest to leave your blog post as is without an edit and an acknowledgement of your error.
On a related note, I find your sentences
“Then again, I’ve previously found that excellent pure mathematicians are prone to falling into a data analysis trap, i.e. a situation where their lack of experience analyzing real-world datasets leads them to believe naïve analysis that is deeply flawed.”
and
“Regardless of Miller’s motivations, by looking at his actual publications I confirmed what I suspected, namely that he has hardly any experience analyzing real world data. I’m willing to chalk up his embarrassing ‘declaration’ to statistics illiteracy and naïveté.”
rather strange. Though the assumptions behind Miller’s analysis may have issues, I do not think they are flagrant mathematical self-contradictions like the one I have identified in your argument above. Perhaps you should examine yourself before you begin soapboxing about others’ statistical illiteracy and incompetence with data.
Or have I missed something?
—
Furthermore, I would like to remark that the 3500 calls which you have labeled “bad numbers” were labeled ” bad number / language barrier ” in Miller’s original document. Please correct me if I am wrong, but from your sentence
“In any case, clearly many of the phone numbers dialed were simply wrong numbers, as evident by the number of ‘bad’ calls: 3,500.”
it seems like when you mean “bad number” you mean “wrong or invalid number”, i.e. the survey did not reach the individual they intended to reach, or that the number was not valid at all. I do not think it is fair to assume that a language barrier being present implies that there was a wrong/invalid number. That is, many of the 3,500 may not have been bad numbers. Unfortunately, we do not seem to know the breakdown of bad numbers vs language barrier cases among the 3,500.
November 25, 2020 at 11:35 pm
Lior Pachter
You’re absolutely right that it is impossible to draw any conclusions from the data. I don’t. I merely posit an alternative explanation that is as good as any.
For example, I could just as well have concluded that all the individuals who picked up the phone lied. 100% of them. There is no evidence in this dataset to the contrary. No positive controls. No negative controls. Not even details of what exactly was asked of the individuals who were called, or what exactly they answered. As you point out, even the detail of “bad number / language barrier” is absurd.
The way this study was conducted, and the information released with it, leaves no option but to discard the data and conclude nothing from it.
November 26, 2020 at 2:05 am
mtzjotz
Do we know anything about how this dataset was created? Given Braynyard’s motivation to prove fraud, as a researcher I would definitely want to see where the names came from, how the people were tracked down, and, as you say, what exactly was asked of people who answered the phone. And of course, as you also say, a parallel data set of Democratic voters but also one of independent/non-affiliated voters.
Not to mention that the tiny number of actual respondents means generalizations to the wider population of republican voters is not reasonable.
Thanks for your careful analysis of the “analysis.” I’m not a statistician but I used statistics extensively in my career in survey research and public health. I was taught to be extraordinarily careful in collecting data and in drawing conclusions. Seems like this particular Miller does not have that training.
November 26, 2020 at 12:21 am
Mark Sandler
Miller’s analysis is astonishingly naive. However this analysis makes a similarly serious mistake in the opposite direction: the 2687 reached #s is *not* an unbiased sample, in fact it is heavily biased towards being a “good” sample. (In fact the equation for b impllicitly assumes that 2687 numbers are *all* valid)
Thus b can’t be used to estimate the number of bad # in those 2867.
While the conclusion is still undoubtedly valid – given the scale of errors elsewhere in the data, we simply can’t treat any discrepancy as evidence of fraud, (as opposed to errors in the data itself), the statistical analysis “proving” it is flawed.
November 26, 2020 at 12:25 am
Lior Pachter
Exactly. That’s the point here. One cannot learn anything from this data. Think of it as the “fundamental theorem of data science”: just because you collected data doesn’t mean you can learn anything from it.
November 26, 2020 at 9:40 am
Anonymous
Dear Lior,
I’m Anonymous with a long post from above, and appreciate your reply.
I’m amazed that three different people (Jack Logan, myself, and Mark Sandler) have all pointed out the same glaring problem in your analysis, and yet the point still has not gotten through.
Is it so hard to admit you made a mistake, professor?
I quote from your reply to me:
“You’re absolutely right that it is impossible to draw any conclusions from the data. I don’t. I merely posit an alternative explanation that is as good as any.”
I did not say that it is impossible to draw any conclusions from the data.
More importantly, your explanation is emphatically not as good as any. It is mathematically self-inconsistent, and I do not think I could have been much clearer in my previous post. No amount of additional assumptions added to your “alternative explanation” would make it self-consistent.
At least Miller’s main argument is self-consistent if you throw enough assumptions at it. Even your for-the-sake-of-argument-hypothesis (in your reply to me) that 100% of the responders lied is self-consistent. There are many other less extreme explanations which are also self-consistent, unlike your “bad numbers argument” in the original post.
Can you explain to me how 2684 * (2/3) is 556, as I previously showed that your analysis implies? Or can you point to a sentence of yours that I have misunderstood?
Other parts of your discussion have merit, but this part does not. Continuing to stand by this part of your argument reflects poorly on your mathematical literacy (to use your own language) and/or personal integrity. Please reconsider.
Happy Thanksgiving!
November 26, 2020 at 11:25 am
Lior Pachter
Again, *I* am saying it is impossible to draw any conclusions from the data. Since we literally have no definition for bad number / language barrier, and since we don’t know anything about what respondents said, and since we don’t know anything about the sampling, anything can be said about the data and nothing can be concluded form it.
This is the kind of reductio ad absurdum we are left with when people like Steven Miller violate the data analysis the way he did. There is no null hypothesis we can reject with this data, and you are insisting to me that there is no null hypothesis we can accept. We of course that’s true! That’s my point. Again, I’m glad we agree!
November 26, 2020 at 6:30 pm
Anonymous
I am sorry to say that we do not agree. You say that it is impossible to draw conclusions from the data, but you *do* draw a conclusion in your original post: you estimate the number of “bad calls” among those who were called and among those who answered the call. My complaint, as is Jack Logan’s complaint and Mark Sandler’s complaint, is that *your* conclusion from the data was formed incorrectly.
Are you saying that your assertions about the number of “bad calls” (e.g. b = 2/3, and 1700 bad numbers out of 2684 people reached) were not conclusions based on the data, but rather part of a reductio ad absurdum, i.e. for the sake of argument? Are you saying that you intended to reach a self-contradiction in your count of the number of “bad calls?” I find this to be a dishonest reading of your original post, which I cannot respect.
Let me quote a few relevant parts your post:
“The fraction of bad calls derived translates to about 1,700 bad numbers out of the 2,684 people that were reached. This easily explains not only the 556 individuals who said they did not request a ballot, but also the 463 individuals who said that they mailed back their ballots.”
“That’s it. The data don’t point to any fraud or irregularity, just a poorly design poll with poor response rates and lots of erroneous information due to bad phone numbers. There is nothing to explain.”
I challenge anyone to read your post and conclude that you, Lior, have not drawn conclusions about the quantity of bad phone numbers occurring in this survey. As discussed in previous comments, the way you drew these conclusions is self-contradictory.
I am disappointed that we have not reached an agreement. I hope others will read these comments and form their own conclusions.
November 26, 2020 at 6:56 pm
Lior Pachter
It seems you are insisting on disagreeing to agree. That’s up to you but you can’t decide for me what I think. I don’t draw any conclusions from this “data” (in quotes because I haven’t even seen data, just some numbers to take on faith from some affidavit). Period.
November 26, 2020 at 12:35 pm
Lior Pachter
The “Williams Record” paper has an update on this sordid affair: https://williamsrecord.com/2020/11/professor-of-mathematics-steven-miller-issues-legal-statement-suggesting-ballot-irregularities-in-pa-conclusions-repudiated-by-statisticians-and-political-scientists/
It includes a link to an email from Steven Miller: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XffRsHT4IlFP46vUrpMmQw2OE_4Fe_gjiYe9T7COgTg/edit?usp=sharing
As noted in the article, “Miller did not recant his decision to conduct the analysis, and wrote in the email, “It is worthwhile to know how well [election] systems worked, which is why I felt it was important to do this calculation.”
The piece is a damning indictment of Miller’s actions and a sad coda to his effort to assist the ongoing legal efforts that are damaging our democratic principles. The response of Charles Stewart (political science professor at MIT) is spot on:
“Miller’s decision to analyze Braynard’s data, even when including caveats, effectively constitutes participation in a legal effort that is damaging to democratic principles. “No one has come forward with serious evidence of fraud. And so now, basically, there’s a group of people engaged in character assassination of American democracy,” Stewart said. “… As we can see already, that’s how [Miller’s] research is being used.””
November 26, 2020 at 4:23 pm
The demon king
The commenters here might find a different statistical analysis edifying: https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020
November 26, 2020 at 7:00 pm
Lior Pachter
I would ask that you restrict comments here to the matter at hand, which in this case is the ‘declaration’ of Steven Miller. You posted some document regarding a completely different issue. My blog is not a venue for advertising random stuff. I’m going to keep your comment up in accordance with my liberal policy on commenting on this site, but ask that in the future, if you’d like to post a comment, that it be relevant to the discussion. Thanks.
November 26, 2020 at 8:10 pm
The demon king
While I appreciate the liberality, I respectfully submit that this is actually relevant. There are many claims of election irregularities, which you are free to disagree with (apparently @ntzjotz disagrees with anything not aligned with his/her/their world view, but doubtlessly there are more sensible objections to any one claim). The Miller affidavit is far from the most weighty of these so I am not really sure I understand the point of this rather prolonged discussion. If it is to point out flaws in the statistical analysis (which are fairly minor – the main one is that he cannot guarantee the integrity of the data, but since when is that a responsibility of the theoretician?) , that is a job best left to opposing expert witnesses (of which none of those shooting off their mouths of here are). If the point is to make an example of Miller by smearing him and attempting to destroy his reputation, I would think such totalitarian tactics would be beneath most of the people here (including Prof Pachter and Prof Bryant).
November 27, 2020 at 12:25 pm
Lior Pachter
1. “…that is a job best left to opposing expert witnesses…”
Miller’s report was literally submitted as an “expert report”: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18618673/200/1/donald-j-trump-for-president-inc-v-boockvar/
2. “since when is that the responsibility of the theoretician?”
The expert report in this case does not pertain to the Katz and Sarnak conjecture on the correspondence between the n-level density statistics of zeros from families of L-functions with eigenvalues from random matrix ensembles. It’s a matter of data analysis and statistical inference, and that is the job of whoever deems it in their purview to proffer “expert” opinion on the matter.
3. “I respectfully submit that this is actually relevant”
Relevant to what? I’m not offering my blog as a forum for debating unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about voter fraud in the election. I blogged about Miller’s ‘declaration’ because I found it troubling that a professional mathematician would act in such a brazen irresponsible manner, offering up an unethical and technically embarrassing ‘declaration’ without merit (https://williamsrecord.com/2020/11/a-rebuttal-to-steven-millers-report-on-pa-gop-mail-in-ballot-requests/).
November 26, 2020 at 7:26 pm
mtzjotz
That is a truly weird site — total anonymity. Click on “about” and you get… nothing that tells you anything “about” the site or the people writing there.
Actually — I take it back. It’s not a truly weird site — it seems to be a pop-up site doing the usual right winger conspiracy theory crap — reminiscent of James O’Keefe’s ironically named Project Veritas (as many might remember, he did extreme editing of his videos so that they seemed to be showing the exact opposite of what was actually happening).
Essentially the anonymous authors claim anomalies totally ignoring the odd nature of this election with each state doing its own version of mail-in-voting, and with trump ranting at his supporters not to trust mail-in voting, and with USPS being hampered by a trump appointee so that the delivery of mail-in ballots ended up being a disorganized mess which easily could account for all kinds of anomalies in batches of ballots delivered.
If you leave out all facts and environment and history, you can play with numbers until they show whatever you want them to show. It doesn’t mean that they’re meaningful.
November 26, 2020 at 8:14 pm
The demon king
Given how much abuse Miller got from the komissars, can you blame people for wishing to remain anonymous? Maybe do your own part (treating people with respect)?
November 26, 2020 at 10:53 pm
conradseitz
If you think we here on this site are not treating people with respect then how do you characterize the comments section on the site to which you linked? As to the post itself, it “ tortured the data ‘til it confessed “. And then some. A lot of sound and fury over an easily explained “ anomaly “ resulting from an all at once data dump from a strongly pro-Biden district, roughly ten to one Biden-Trump in four metro locations.
November 26, 2020 at 10:54 pm
conradseitz
Who are these commissars? Names and links please?
November 27, 2020 at 11:30 pm
Anonymous mathematician
Your analysis of Miller’s affadavit seem completely reasonable and to the point. The following link gives an even cleaner rebuttal, and without the character assassination at the end: https://williamsrecord.com/2020/11/a-rebuttal-to-steven-millers-report-on-pa-gop-mail-in-ballot-requests/
Why was it necessary for you to go out of your way to hammer on Miller because of his google scholar page? It seems likely to me that he did not deliberately arrange this list so as to fool people. Why? Because, in any academic situation where it matters (job, grants, prizes, invitations, and so on), anyone evaluating him will focus on the work that he has actually done. As a scientist yourself, you surely must know this. I can only assume that you would take pride in your own work but not in work done by other people with the same name as you. Why not grant the same minimal decency and reasonableness to a fellow scientist?
November 28, 2020 at 12:50 am
Lior Pachter
Actually this was a situation where his Google Scholar page **really** mattered. Anyone in the general public googling his name did see, and still sees, his Google Scholar page, and it is a gross misrepresentation of his publication record. This Google page didn’t appear out of thin air; he made it, and chose to have it serve as a public record of his publications.
Of course this also matters in academia. I was in a situation just last year, on a prize committee, where someone brought up the (high) h-index of a professor who had been nominated for a prize as evidence of their scholarly stature. It turned out this was from a Google Scholar page which, similar to this case, contained many papers from a different researcher in a different field, and these had greatly inflated the h-index.
I’m not saying that a messed up Google Scholar page is evidence, in and of itself, of malfeasance. It can be hard to keep the page up-to-date and error-free, just like any webpage. But a public facing academic, which Steven J Miller certainly became when he submitted a sworn affidavit on the matter of the president of the United States trying to overturn an election, is responsible for ensuring that he/she presents themselves honestly. I note again, as I did in my post, that this includes, disclosure of all conflicts of interest if they exist, and sources of funding for the work and for the researcher. Steven Miller has still not disclosed either.
November 29, 2020 at 3:31 am
Anon Grad student
Professor Pachter, with all due respect, at least one of your own (former) students has papers which appear not to be their own on their google scholar account.
Even as renowned a Caltech faculty member as Barry Simon has falsely attributed papers on his Scholar page.
Are you seriously attempting to argue that your student and Simons are guilty of “extremely problematic and inappropriate” professional conduct?
(I apologize for being anonymous, I checked your site info and you don’t seem to have a policy/any real indication that you won’t retaliate professionally at me for disagreeing with you/for the below disclosure)
(For full disclosure my google scholar account has also at times tried to link articles which are not mine to my account. Thankfully, as of now, I’ve been able to remove such falsely attributed articles)
(Full disclosure part 2, I’m not statistically qualified enough to judge your rebuttal to Miller, but I’m both avidly anti-trump and believe the election had a negligible amount of fraud. I’m objecting solely to your marshalling of google scholar as substantial evidence of fraud)
November 29, 2020 at 7:32 am
Lior Pachter
Yes- if Barry Simon went out and filed affidavits on voter fraud it would matter a whole lot what his Google Scholar page looked like. And frankly it makes no difference if he’s a renowned professor or a grad student, or even if he was my grad student (I wish I could say that was the case! Would it be ok if I did that?!) Moreover, he should fix it anyway. And I’ve told him this on a Facebook thread (at first he said it was impossible after noting there is a false entry that he has to fix, and then corrected himself after realizing it is trivial to do).
BTW, it’s not like Steven Miller has a single erroneous entry. A large fraction of his citation count and h-index on Google Scholar is due to others’ work. It’s trivial to realize this, and trivial to fix it. And nowhere in my post did I state anything about Google Scholar and “substantial evidence of fraud”.
February 2, 2021 at 10:50 am
5939crayons
I’m curious if anyone here, most notably statisticians and/or mathematicians, has looked at the JSON data directly; from either Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Georgia? I see a lot of analyses everywhere pertaining to fraud but only one I’ve come across that actually dives into the data used by each SoS for certification.
If I may, I’m wondering if anyone has seen or heard of the work that Edward Solomon is doing. The reconstruction of the data and the math is above my pay-grade and my life took a divergent path away from advancing through math any further than calculus (and that was now two decades ago). Edward’s work is mostly archived and publicly available on his YT channel. Several streams that went past the 12hr mark were not saved by YT. A simple search using his name, should pull up his page (look for the portrait of President Andrew Jackson).
My focus, in posting a comment on this thread/page is to try and encourage anyone willing to go through and work the data and see where they end up. As far as I know, to the best of my knowledge, the data itself showed Edward the way. I cannot fully confirm the results and method but in my limited capacity it seems sound.
My apologies for having Necro’d this thread. Perhaps someone will read this, check out his work and respond.
Thank you for your time.
May 9, 2021 at 5:38 pm
JC JC
Dont bother, that guy is a petty dumbass
His texts are insufferable and low quality